Citizenbane should know this as well, since I've seen him bring it up before. 1.The Helm itself is not "superbad" it merely allows the wearer to draw power from the Lords of Order. Tough fight but leaning towards Darkseid. Strange Vs. Darkseid. The Original Dr Fate for example when he lost the Helm of Nabu and wore a shrunkated version that he created (half helmet) was still a superman type of hero, but with psychic senses etc. Basically, based purely on what it is supposedly capable of, he is like superman with Dr Strange powers and some martian manhunter skills as well. Darkseid did not harm or overpower Linda at all. So it seems more like a stalemate up to that point (after which they pulled that "power of love" stunt; can't believe an editor OK'd that). @beatboks1: Here is what the DC Wiki says, However, in the training of Kent Nelson (20 years in pre-crisis while 1 day in post-crisis), Nabu taught Kent to use the following powers without the helmet: (goes on to say flight, strength, etc.). Darkseid & Thanos @Bane333 LMFAO, Thanos cucked the in-betweener, Tanked a blast that could kill the entire NEXUS OF ALL REALITIES, escaped the god quarry and ABSORB it's power, the god Quarry created INFINITE infinity stones, each being it's own concept, Thanos tanked blasts that killed off all of marvel including ETERNITY and INFINITY, outsmarted GALACTUS moving galactus to his fate So he used to need the helmet but has learned to go it without. Since at the start of the Inza Nelson Fate run DS was casually dictating terms to all the Lords of Order and Chaos I'd say him facing one would be simple victory. Now, I don't really know how they compare to Kent Nelson as Fate, since these are the only issues I've seen of them, but between the sickness, split power, and inexperience, I would assume that he is a vastly more formidable version of Fate. Extrapolation is fine as long as evidence is provided, New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the whowouldwin community. Powerful sorcerer Kent Nelson wears the Helm of Fate and sees the fate of all mankind, for better or worse. Normally Himon and Metron would be fairly reliable testimony, but in this case, they are just wrong. Rounds end in death or incapacitation, No BFR Rounds: Round 1: Pre-crisis, in-character. So everything a Darkseid emanation can do scales to the True Darkseid, but to a larger degree. The 10th age still seems to have the same but there is now also a price for magic. Basically, based purely on what it is supposedly capable of, he is like superman with Dr Strange powers and some martian manhunter skills as well. Battle 8. Dr. All I can say is in the issues I read, which are like a half-dozen, she didn't seem especially proficient or confident in her powers, and from what I can tell, she first became Dr. 3rd 4th and 5th scans are from the no/half helmet era. King Kandy. In fact with her time in the merged Fate and access to the entity that is fate she was vastly more experienced. jesserw21 Senior Member. Random encounter, no knowledge, no outside help. The only places he could work vast magic in fact. And even after draining his powers, Darkseid realizes that it was still insufficient to refill his full power. If you love to imagine the planet-exploding battles of the fictional gods who will never be, taking pointless knowledge gathered from a life spent reading and gaming and swinging it like a gladiator's sword in discussions on reddit... then welcome home, my friend. Jul 10, 2014 - Original Comic Art titled DARKSEID VS HAWKMAN AND DR FATE, located in GREEN's GREEN LANTERN 76 Comic Art Gallery (881523) I do think if Spectre wasn't jobbing and went all out, he could deal with Darkseid if not kill him. Fate). If you look at for example Dr Strange defeating Shuma-Gorath he did so by drawing on the power of the realms of his enemy. Omega Sanction: Probably one of the most disastrous effects the Omega Effect can give. He may not use them regularly enough to be considered in-character but he does have them. To face an alliance between a Lord of chaos Vaneamon and a Lord of Order Ynar Classic Fate merged with his host's wife Inza. 9 SQUIRREL GIRL Squirrel Girl has taken on the likes of Doctor Doom, but her biggest accomplishment comes in the form of dropping Thanos. Fate. Exactly which scan shows Desaad clearly beating them? Dr Strange vs Dr Fate- Dr Strange but it would be close fight. It was only by doing so that he was able to defeat two gods of equal power to him. Fate is Kent Nelson. So really, people should just be bringing up actual feats for Kent Nelson and Darkseid, not a battle that didn't involve either character. But you know, both are key characters especially Darkseid as a villian so obviously they won't kill him off. he had both Fates at his mercy at the end of that issue and they pulled off a win through a plot device of making him feel love and mercy. Erik wasn't Dying ( he lived for quite some time afterward, and was rebirthed into a new magical life form to save humanity at the end of the Straus Run), Linda was no less a neophyte than Kent V has been in every showing he's had. The female Fate was stated to be at half power, and from what I can tell from the previous issues, was still quite new to being Fate and not particularly masterful or confident in her abilities. Like most incarnations of the DC hero, he is made up of two individuals, a human host, namely Kent Nelson, and the god Nabu. Like I said, I think a lot of people make assumptions about the Nelson Dr. Captain America Vs Nightwing. In the case of the Original Nabu altered Kent Nelson turning him from a child to a man and making him never age and giving him the powers. I would lean towards Darksied but I would love to hear some experienced opinion's on this one. Yeah, dude as I was saying earlier I never said Fate would win, just perhaps give him a rough time for a while. The only reason they feign a surrender is because he shows them an essentially endless army of parademons, and points out that he can just keep sending wave after wave of them at the Fates until they are just overwhelmed. Did not always seem to play out that way in practice though. I still say his ability to go intangible would give him time to develop an attack. No, Fate can not defeat Darkseid. Doctor Fate Vs Superman And Martian Manhunter! But as they started to charge Fate, Fate says “Forgive Me, For What I Must Do My Friends. She shoots and misses. He is the only one on a par with Classic Dr Strange. Going by what you're saying, it seems like this would only be true of the Silver Age Nelson, and the post-crisis incarnation is actually much more puny than most people probably think. ). Again, I can't really speak to how accurate this assumption is. Just about everything you mentioned was addressed. Created by MoNsTeR. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Darkseid does not actually overpower them, damage them, or force them to do anything. I suggest you look at the scans again. If it were Dr. I think he'd be found wanting. It's also stated he had had it for weeks when Nelson reveals that his illness is actually a side-effect of his accelerated aging, and that Erik is actually dying from it. It is mentioned several times that if only one of them becomes Fate at a time, they are a much weaker Fate than they should be, but I guess that is a relative statement. I already pointed out that the fever had been with him for sometime. Round 2: Post-crisis, in-character. ” Doctor Fate is a cameo character in Injustice: Gods Among Us, and a playable character in Injustice 2. What you are saying here looks like there is little evidence to back up those ideas, or maybe they've got him mixed up with a different Dr. DarkseidALE 1 y 11 mo 4 d Doctor Fate vs Darkseid # Darkseid Darkseid crushes the helm of fate in his hands superman did it before Darkseid has rarely faced off against such a super-power and he should be wary because Franklin is a weapon of mass destruction on a mental and physical level. Estacado. The page before the first scan as i recall she actually hit him from behind with a full blast and it did nothing. All it shows is political power, not personal power. That they managed to cure or bring him back later isn't at all surprising, but to claim he wasn't dying at the time is like saying Doomsday didn't beat Superman to the brink of death just because he was okay later. My whole point in the Spectre thing was in countering an argument given that Nabu fared well against the Spectre so Fate should win against DS. Desaad is not a powerful character, and unless Dr. Darkseid vs Dr. Though his mortal host Kent Nelson tries to fight back. Fate in sort of the same way that Hal Jordan is viewed as being the quintessential Green Lantern (I'm assuming that's the only reason the OP chose him for this battle, because I really can't see the sense of deliberately choosing a weak version of a character to fight someone like Darkseid). There is no reason to believe the presence would prevent anyone else from destroying Darkseid. Defeating a never before heard from demon ( and never heard again) defeating Lady Blaze, and bringing a soul back from the afterlife ( which by all accounts almost killed him, and Inza Fate accomplished the same with Consummate ease). A doppelganger in modern vernacular only refers to any double or look-alike of a person not the traditional folklore meaning. He does not attack them in any way after that. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. Darkseid can easily defeat Dr Fate. They can both be affected by strong enough magic. Do I think Spectre's inability to destroy DS has any bearing on this match ? With Hector he created the child and put hector spirit in it than aged it etc. In comics, a doppleganger (Desaad) of Darkseid has already defeated not … Now, I'm not saying Fate should win, I just don't think that this fight is a very good showcase of Fate's power. He could even work vast magic in the valley of power (Nabu's tomb) just as he could in his Salem Tower, without the Helm. Unless you can point out a line to me that I've been missing, I'm pretty sure the Parademons had nothing to do with it, and he was already barely functional before Darkseid even showed up. The image in the OP is of the Kent V Nelson who is supposed to be the great grand nephew or some such of the original. Marvel Vs DC: The 25 Most Powerful Gods Officially Ranked. Its kinda like putting Dr Strange across from certain enemies. So anyone arguing the Fates legitimately lost, are basically arguing that Dr. The two of them together access the same power to exact levels Kent V does and between them at that point had several times the experience he has. Yeah, one of those things where I guess depending on the host and story determines who has more control or power I suppose. He is shot 3 times. Didn't Nabu go the distance for a while with Spectre? DS was about to deliver the finishing blow when Linda Attacked, and his fever began to develop from a parrademon's bite. Deadpool Vs Deathstroke. Text-only Version: Click HERE to see this thread with all of the graphics, features, and links. They often appear in stories with DC's supernatural heroes, such as Dr. Of course, it isn't a particularly good showcase of Darkseid's power either, and with it being retconned to Desaad anyway, it loses a lot of its relevance. Deadpool vs Deathstroke- Draw Doctor Fate was far older than he appeared. 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